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S pozdravem Lenka z Arendonku

Petra  
Děkuji moc za rady, Marti. s tím pánem se určitě spojím, to je výborný, že je někdo, kdo takhle dobře funguje, hodně mi to určitě pomůže, protože si nedovedu představit, že bych to vyřizovala sama s prckem v kočárku a ke všemu ještě s dojížděním do 100 km vzdáleného Bruselu. Cena je hodně solidní až nízká, a určitě toho využiji. Co se týče pasu, asi to riskneme bez něj :-), pojedeme domů autem. Čekat dva měsíce se nám moc nechce, protože manžel už bude moci odjet na dovolenou do Čech začátkem dubna a takhle by jsme tu museli zůstat o měsíc déle :-(. Možná mu spíš nechám udělat ten cizinecký doklad pro mimča, na to se také musím zeptat, to mě ani nenapadlo, že je něco takového možné. Záleží, jak dlouho jim to bude ale trvat. S tím příjmením a legitimací s českým pasem v porodnici by to asi určitě prošlo, ale já jsem tu na pojišťovně zaregistrovaná pod starým a pochybuji, že by se jim to líbylo, co se týče proplacení pobytu v porodnici. :-(...Ale tohle přesně nevím, možná by to až tak nevadilo, zkusím se na té pojišťovně zeptat, je tam jedna hodná a ochotná paní, tak mi snad poradí. No, je toho dost, na co se musím poptat, a děkuji Ti moc za rady a za upozornění, hodně mi to pomůže s orientací kde a na co se informovat. Není to snadné, ale u nás v Čechách je to podobné, né-li horší :-D a ke všemu i neochotní pracovníci

Měj se krásně a ještě jednou moc děkuji.

Petra

Martina 
Ahoj Petro, zachovej klid a klidnou hlavu, zadna panika! :-) Komplikace s rodnym listem nebudes mit zadne, narodily se tu uz desitky deti ceskym parum, tvoje miminko nebude jedine. Podle meho nazoru, jelikoz jsi obcankou EU, tak se vsude v naproste pohode muzes prokazovat svym ceskym pasem, ve kterem mas, jak pises, jiz nove "vyvdane" prijmeni. Tudiz i evidence v porodnici muze byt vedena pod tvym vyvdanym prijmenim. Pochopitelne se budou ptat i na prijmeni manzela, velmi casto se tu miminko "eviduje" pod jeho prijmenim, tudiz, pokud by se ti narodila holcicka", tak bez prechylovani. Po porodu miminka ti tu vystavi na prislusne komune (v casti, kde se nachazi porodnice - presne informace ti daji v porodnici pri odchodu domu, i s casem, dokdy musis miminko "zaregistrovat") tzv. Copie d´acte, kde je zapsane jmeno ditete a komu se narodilo :-). Uz v porodnici te "oberou" o pas/obcanku, kterou posilaji na komunu a ty si tam pak dokument prijdes vyzvednout a podepsat se do evidence. Ukazuj pas, pripadne bych se v pohode ohanela ceskou obcankou, belgickou cizineckou obcanku s tvym rodnym prijmenim bych si nechavala v zaloze s pripadnym vysvetlenim (i kdyz vim, ze nekdy jsou jakakoli vysvetleni malo platna :-) ). My jsme napr. museli v tomto dokumentu trvat na prechyleni prijmeni nasi dcery, protoze jsme ho chteli, ale je tu fura paru, kde se holcicka jmenuje po tatinkovi bez prechyleni. Zalezi na Vas...Pro cestu do CR v dubnu musis mit rozhodne vyrizeny pas, predevsim kdyz poletite, protoze bez dokladu ti miminko proste neprepravi. Pri jizde autem je to otazka :-) :-)...jsme v Schengenskem prostoru, tudiz volny pohyb osob...jenze nahoda je vul a prestoze by ses urcite za sve dite bila jako lev, nestoji to za ty nervy jet bez dokladu a riskovat treba to, ze te v Nemecku zastavi presna a pecliva nemecka hlidka :-) :-) Skoc si na konzulat na Avenue de Buyl,kde ti vse vyridi po narozeni miminka na pockani. Vem si s sebou svuj pas, pripadne ceskou obcanku, taktez manzelovu, sranda je, ze musis mi take pasovou fotografii ditete (ja fotila 8 denni dceru a byla to docela sranda). Na konzulatu ti vydaji provizorni cestovni prukaz ditete, platny na cestu Belgie - CR - Belgie s platnosti 6 mesicu. Tento prukaz je pouzitelny pouze na cestu, ktera je v nem zapsana, takze i kdyz ma platnost 6 mesicu, tak s nim nemuzes letet treba do Mexika :-). Jinak do cizinecke obcanky (tve) ti tady dite nezapisi, ale po zazadani diteti vydaji mistni cizineckou "detskou" obcanku (ja si vzdycky po narozeni zadala pres sveho mistniho zamestnavatele). A co se tyce vyrizovani rodneho listu, tak ti opet uplne info podaji na konzulatu (akorat se priprav na dosti papiru). Mas dve cesty: bud si o rodny list pozadas pres konzulat a zhruba do 2 mesicu ho obdrzis nebo si vse vyridis sama v CR. Dite bude zapsane ve zvlastni matrice v Brne, ale stejne to jde pres Prahu (kde je oddeleni pro ceske deti narozene v cizine, je to tusim ve Vodickove ulici v centru Prahy), ktera to pak posila do Brna. Jednodussi cesta je zazadat pres zdejsi konzulat. K tomu budes muset mit "Copie d´acte" prelozny z FJ do Cj a opatreny apostilou na zdejsim ministerstvu zahranici. A na tohle ti doporucuju soudniho prekladatele pana Wanku. Ma tady na Ceslobe vizitku, komunikuje dobre pres email i telefon. Ten ti dokument prelozi a dokonce sam skoci na ministerstvo pro apostilu....uz to zna a hlavne vi, kam bezet :-) :-). Loni si uctoval za tohle vsechno 50 EUR, coz si myslim je prijatelne. Mozna me nekdo jeste poopravi, ci doda dalsi informace, ale myslim, ze to zvladnes a problemy nebudou. Hodne stesti!

Tereza 
Ahoj Petro
Ja Jsem vdana za belgicana ale mam Jeho prijmeni a nemela Jsem problem pri zmene,
Zkusim jeste pohledat papiry jak to presne Bylo,
Mimochoddm bydlim v Gullegemu :-) ozvi se TerezaTrnkova@seznam.cz
A Co. Se tyce zapisu do rodneho listu,pri narozeni jde zapsat dite vetsinou Otec
At vyplni tve nove prijmeni a pouzij Cesky pas
A na cestu budes muset nechat udelat pas pro Mimi asi tady,poletite? Asi
By ti ho bez dokladu nevzali,Nevim zda se dite dopisuju do cizinecke obcanky
Ja mam belgickou jelikoz mam i Belg obcanstvi a dite tam zapsane nemam
Ma Svuj pas od miminka
A napada me ze dostane asi Belg obcanstvi kdyz se tu tve ditko narodi?
Takze stejne budes muset zadat o ceske? Tak to Bylo u me,vyrizovala
Jsem to pak pres ambasadu,zkus tam znovu zavolat at ti poradi,
Tolik to nestalo ale trvalo to slo to pres Brno,protoze je zapsan do Matriky v brne
Ale rikam mam za Manzela belgicana tak Nevim zda je v Tom rozdil
Kdyz tak se jeste ozvi na muj mail jeste popremyslim jak Jsem to vyrizovala.
Mej. Se a hodne zdravi tobe i miminku! Tereza

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